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S2 Ep 20: In Conversation With Thomas Schindler
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S2 Ep 20: In Conversation With Thomas Schindler

How Can We Create a Better World Through Community and Agency?

Thomas Schindler is a man of many talents and stories, and in this episode shares his unique perspective on life, work, and the vision for a better world.

Recognising the Larger Tapestry

Thomas begins by addressing a fundamental question: how can we make a meaningful impact in a world that often feels overwhelming? He emphasises the importance of recognising that while we may not witness the fruits of our labour, our contributions are part of a larger tapestry that future generations may benefit from. This acknowledgement is crucial for maintaining motivation and a sense of purpose.

Assessing Your Radius of Effectiveness

Thomas encourages listeners to assess their "radius of effectiveness," which refers to the scope of their influence. For some, this may mean focusing on family and friends, while others might have the resources to extend their impact further. The key is to be clear about what one can realistically achieve and to embrace the agency that comes with that understanding.

Things You Can Do Today

  • Identify Your Sphere of Influence: Reflect on the areas where you can make the most significant impact, whether it's within your family, community, or professional network.

  • Set Realistic Goals: Establish achievable goals that align with your capabilities and resources.

  • Celebrate Small Wins: Recognise and celebrate the small victories along the way to stay motivated.


The Power of Community

A significant part of the conversation revolves around the idea of community. Thomas suggests that one of the first steps toward making a difference is to find a community where individuals can contribute their unique skills and resources. He clarifies that he is not advocating for intentional communities but rather for existing communities—like villages—where people can come together to support one another and work towards common goals.

Amplifying Efforts Through Collaboration

Asha reflected on her own journey and the importance of being part of a community that aligns with one’s values. She emphasises that while individual agency is vital, collaboration and connection with others amplify our efforts and create a more significant impact.

Things You Can Do Today

  • Join Local Groups: Participate in local community groups or organizations that align with your values and interests.

  • Build Relationships: Foster strong relationships within your community to create a support network.

  • Collaborate on Projects: Work with others on community projects to leverage collective skills and resources.


Navigating Challenges in Systems Change

Thomas shared insights into the challenges faced in systems change work. He highlights that while many people are eager to contribute to positive change, accessing the necessary resources—both financial and otherwise—can be a significant barrier. He notes that the current economic system often complicates this process, as it prioritises profit over genuine impact.

Building a Gift-Based Relational Economy

Thomas reflects on his experiences in building a software company that invests in initiatives aimed at fostering a gift-based relational economy. He acknowledges that while financial resources are essential, they often do not align with the values of the change-makers. This disconnect can make it difficult to mobilise the necessary support for transformative projects.

Things You Can Do Today

  • Seek Alternative Funding: Explore alternative funding sources such as grants, crowdfunding, and impact investments.

  • Align Values with Resources: Ensure that your financial resources align with your values and the impact you wish to create.

  • Leverage Non-Financial Capital: Use social, cultural, and environmental capital to support your initiatives.


The Role of Money and Resources

The conversation takes a deeper dive into the nature of money and its role in our lives. Thomas believes that money is merely a form of stored potential, akin to a battery. He argues that as we face challenges like climate change, it is crucial to rethink how we use our financial resources. Instead of hoarding wealth, he suggests that individuals should consider how to transform their money into other forms of capital—such as social, cultural, and environmental capital—that contribute to a thriving life.

Shifting Mindsets

Asha adds to this by discussing the importance of shifting our mindset around wealth and resources. She emphasises that true abundance comes from relationships, community, and shared knowledge rather than mere financial accumulation. This perspective encourages listeners to explore what their ideal lives look like and how they can align their resources with those visions.

Things You Can Do Today

  • Invest in Relationships: Prioritise building and nurturing relationships over accumulating financial wealth.

  • Support Community Initiatives: Use your financial resources to support community projects and initiatives that align with your values.

  • Embrace a Holistic View of Wealth: Recognise the value of social, cultural, and environmental capital in creating a fulfilling life.


Hopes and Aspirations for the Future

Thomas shared his hope for the future: that humanity will recognise the interconnectedness of all life and tap into the wisdom of nature and our potential. He believes that despite the challenges we face, a thriving, harmonious existence is possible if we work together and support one another.

Fostering Community and Relationships

Asha echoed this sentiment, highlighting the importance of finding community and nurturing relationships as we navigate the complexities of life. She encourages listeners to focus on what they can do individually and collectively to foster positive change, reminding them that every small action contributes to a larger movement.

Things You Can Do Today

  • Practice Mindfulness: Cultivate mindfulness to recognise and appreciate the interconnectedness of all life.

  • Engage in Community Activities: Participate in community activities that promote sustainability and well-being.

  • Support Each Other: Offer support and encouragement to others in your community to build a sense of solidarity.

Personal Insights and Practices

In the closing, Thomas reveals his practice of "unloading," a technique where he writes down his thoughts and feelings only to destroy them afterwards. This practice allows him to engage in deep, honest conversations without the fear of judgment, fostering a sense of liberation.

Balancing Ambition with Contentment

When asked about his aspirations, Thomas expresses a desire for greater patience and satisfaction with the present moment. He acknowledges the challenges of balancing ambition with contentment, a struggle many can relate to.

Things You Can Do Today

  • Practice Journaling: Use journaling as a tool to process thoughts and emotions without the pressure of permanence.

  • Cultivate Patience: Practice patience and mindfulness to find contentment in the present moment.

  • Set Balanced Goals: Strive for a balance between ambition and contentment by setting realistic and fulfilling goals.


Through the experiences and reflections of Thomas Schindler, we encourage you to explore your potential and take meaningful steps toward a more sustainable and connected future.

By focusing on coordination, vulnerability, and the power of dreams, we can reimagine our societal structures to prioritise life, community, and sustainability. Every small action contributes to a larger movement, and together, we can build a better world.

Thanks for listening!

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